1946 Paramaribo
Born into a family of eight children, I'm the second-youngest.
1967–1983 Suriname/Netherlands
Had children of my own in 1967, 1969, 1977 and 1983.
1970 Rotterdam
Moved to the Netherlands.
1970–1989 Rotterdam/Amsterdam
Participated in various care and welfare training courses.
1970 Rotterdam
Started working in care.
1975–1977 Emmen
Lived in Emmen.
1977 Amsterdam
Moved to Amsterdam East.
1990–2014 Amsterdam
Grandchildren born in 1990, 2000 and 2014.
2011 Amsterdam
I retirement from work, but decided to get involved as a volunteer for seniors initiatives.
2014 Amsterdam
Created the Pasensie (Patience) Foundation. I work with a highly motivated team of volunteers to offer a wide variety of activities in order to combat migrant seniors loneliness.
Please note: all conversations will be assigned randomly


Ondergronds is named for those exceptional conversations below the surface.

While travelling through Amsterdam on a daily basis, we pass by hundreds of strangers and rarely get a chance to connect. Ondergronds allows you to have a real conversation with one of those strangers – perhaps the connection will last, perhaps it may inspire other conversations on your daily travels.

About the team:

Julien Thomas developed urban interventions and creative civic engagement strategies in Vancouver, and graduated from the Sandberg Instituut in 2016.

Webdesign: Fabian Hijlkema

Photography: Coco Plooijer

Ondergronds is an initiative of the Knowledge Mile Coalition, a community of knowledge institutions, companies, organisations and residents working together along the Wibautstraat and Wesperstraat from Amstelplein to Nieuwmarkt.


Do you have questions, want to participate, or want to set up an Ondergronds project in your city? Feel free to contact us.


We are

  • Gemeente Amsterdam

  • Knowledge Mile Coalition

  • Amsterdam Boiling

  • GVB

  • Humans of Amsterdam